Josh… Ryan, I need your help.

I was reading something, and my mind broke down. I didnt know what to say. Please comment this.

“The Bible clearly teaches that God is in control of the world. He is a sovereign God.

Psalm 24:1-2
The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness. The world and those who dwell therein. For He has founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the waters.

Psalm 50:10
For every beast of the forest is Mine, And the cattle on a thousand hills.

1 Corinthians 10:26
for the earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness.

If this is the case, then God is responsible for the fact that:


After watching American Idol’s Idol Gives Back program where they raised almost $70 Million dollars to help children around the world, I wondered if they were doing more for children than God. At that moment, I was glad I didn’t believe in God because God would have to be held responsible for doing nothing about the tens of thousands of children who die each day.

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Yes, I am evil and if I had the power to save every one of those children I would. “How much more” should God?

Agnostic Atheist “


10 responses to “Josh… Ryan, I need your help.

  1. Read “The Problem of Pain” and “A Grief Observed” by C.S. Lewis (read them at the same time). They are both short reads, but they give a great deal of insight into the questions that you are asking. They can’t answer everything, but they gave me a great deal of peace about these same issues.

    I will say, however, that it is a question that words cannot really answer in a way that will appease our self-righteous sense of justice. It is something that I will wrestle with until the day I die, and I know that no amount of philosophical two-steo or clever language could ever give me full peace on the matter.

  2. Oh…and I forgot to mention prayer. I cannot understate its importance.

  3. I might not be able to answer all of the questions floating around in your head, but hopefully I can answer a few of them.

    God’s sovereignty is a rather big discussion. Obviously, Gods supreme power is something that is difficult for our finite minds to wrap around, but I think before we can start to understand His sovereignty we first need to believe in God. I’m not sure if this is something that you’ve struggled with for a while or are just now being confronted with, but this seems to be the bigger issue.

    Please know that I’m not trying to avoid answering any questions, but I would like to know a little bit more. Call me and maybe we can get something to drink or eat and talk about it.

  4. along the lines of what Josh was saying:
    we don’t first understand all of what God’s doing or how He thinks before we believe in Him–no matter how crazy or absurd He seems to us.

    We believe so that we can understand. This is something I continue to learn and develop every single day. So many times i get it the other way around. the christian experience is always faith seeking understanding, but we will never understand without faith.

    on a more side note:
    why do we ask ourselves why God does nothing for starving children when we’re sitting on our fat rear-ends, eating chips as we watch american idol. God has no other hands in the world except the churches. if those children die, it’s not God who let it happen–it’s God’s people.

  5. I don’t have all the answers either Jon, but I can give you some sort of insight.
    First of all I will say take heed to Andrew’s advice. Both of those books are magnificent.
    Secondly I know the reason many horrible things happen is the world is a direct effect of sin. Death, illness, sadness, destruction, natural disasters, and so on.
    Like I said before, I don’t really have the answers to all of your questions. And that being said, I’m sure that many of those poor starving children in Africa have never even heard of God or Christ, but that is our duty as Christians to get that Word there. A.K.A.- The Great Commision.
    Here is a little story that has to do with God not being in those places of need when it seemed like he should be:
    There was a little girl who decided to write a letter to God. She was angered in her heart about all the horrible things going on in schools and other countries so she wrote…. “Dear God, why did you allow bad things to happen in places like Virginia Tech and Columbine? Why would you sit back and watch these sorts of things go on?” And God wrote back a simple one lined answer… “Dear little one, don’t you know that I was kicked out of schools a long time ago?”
    Jon, if I had anything at all to say that would encourage you it would be to put your trust in God and take Him at His word. Trust that He knows what He is doing, and that all works out for His will, if we understand it or not. If it seems horrible or not. Just takes faith I guess bro.

  6. Suffering. It’s not a pleasant subject to discuss, but a necessary one. Suffering plagues our world. In its many forms it affects us physically, psychologically and emotionally. Suffering. It’s not a pleasant subject to discuss, but a necessary one.

    A dictionary defines suffering as the state of anguish or pain of one who suffers; the bearing of pain, injury or loss (The New International Webster’s Comprehensive Dictionary).

    Suffering plagues our world. In its many forms it affects us physically, psychologically and emotionally. Whatever its manifestation, extended suffering can crush the body and spirit.

    Suffering falls on the just and the unjust. It afflicts innocent victims. This uncomfortable fact makes it difficult for us to reconcile such obvious unfairness with the existence or fairness of an intelligent divine being.

    Some are so disturbed by this state of affairs that they try to remedy the situation. They devote much of their energy to performing charitable works aimed at relieving undeserved suffering. They long to make the world a more just and equitable place to live.

    But, commendable as these efforts are, good works don’t solve the world’s problems. It appears that our efforts to stop suffering at best only delay the inevitable. And nobody, it seems, has a believable explanation of why so much human misery persists.

    What is the answer? Why is suffering so indiscriminate? Why isn’t it meted out only to those who deserve it? Why do the innocent suffer from actions and events over which they have no control and often cannot foresee?

    Thinkers and philosophers have weighed in on the issue for years, but they have failed to provide a satisfying rational answer.

    The Bible view: Realistic and encouraging–

    Let’s examine the causes of suffering from a biblical perspective. God’s Word is the key source that can help us discover the reasons people suffer. The biblical view of life is realistic and encouraging. The Bible explains why pain has always been with us and why it will remain, at least for a time. At the same time the biblical view is also encouraging, especially when we expand our thinking to see life in terms of God’s plan and His purpose for mankind.

    Jesus Christ tells us that His mission includes the offer to us of an abundant life (John 10:10). Psalm 16:11 tells us that “at [God’s] right hand are pleasures forevermore.” The Bible also reveals how God will lighten our burdens and how relief will one day come to the whole world. It also tells us of a time even further beyond when suffering will completely disappear.

    But that is not the condition of humanity in our age. Jesus understood that suffering is an inextricable part of this physical life. He reminded His followers, “In this world you will have trouble” (John 16:33, New International Version).

    Suffering won’t go away—yet

    Suffering strikes rich and poor, religious and irreligious, small and great. In this life virtually everyone will experience it.

    Disease and health problems seem to strike most people at some time or other.

    In centuries past common diseases caused immense suffering. But in spite of advances in medical science that have greatly lengthened the average life span, we know we will still die. Rather than having our lives cut short by the killer diseases of earlier years, now many of us will expire at a greater age from such debilitating afflictions as cancer or heart disease. Many will lose their mental faculties long before their bodies wear out.

    In poorer nations, suffering and death from diseases that are largely preventable still cut an enormous swath of misery and despair.

    Barbarity is responsible for much mental and physical suffering. Nothing reduces man to brutal cruelty more quickly than war, and man is always fighting his fellowman. A few decades ago historians Will and Ariel Durant wrote that in 3,421 years of recorded history “only 268 have seen no war” (The Lessons of History, 1968, p. 81).

    Where suffering is a constant–

    Suffering exacts its greatest toll on people in poorer, backward countries. In many countries people struggle simply to have enough to eat. Current Events magazine observes that the hunger never ends: “Approximately 800 million people—most of them children—suffer from the effects of constant hunger,” and “35,000 children each day die as a result of conditions that can be linked to a poor diet.”

    “… You have the poor with you always,” said Jesus (Matthew 26:11). This is depressingly true not only in pockets of poverty in Africa, Asia and Latin America, but virtually everywhere. What makes the existence of the abject and underfed more tragic is that much of this kind of suffering is avoidable.

    Political ineptitude, corrupt leadership, war and rapid population growth that outstrips food supplies fuel hunger and starvation. Inefficient farming methods and inadequate transportation and food-delivery systems are factors that contribute to chronic shortages and manmade famines. Conditions beyond human control also play a part.

    Starvation and disease are problems that will worsen even if short-term relief measures are successfully implemented. Jesus foretold a time of unprecedented trouble in the “last days” that will include widespread famine. He prophesied of “famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places” (Matthew 24:7).

    Pestilence—disease epidemics—often accompanies famines. When destructive earthquakes strike, particularly in poor nations, a ravaged infrastructure prevents the flow of food into the afflicted areas. Disease and hunger soon take their deadly toll.

    Although wars make the headlines, the number of deaths from armed conflict is small compared with those who die from disease. According to some estimates, AIDS kills 10 times as many in Africa alone as die in wars worldwide.

    Man willfully spreads suffering–

    Although the toll of suffering from food shortages and disease is monumental, raw greed brings yet more suffering.

    Slavery, for example, is an ancient and supposedly obsolete institution, yet it remains a cancer in many countries.

    Current Events comments on the numbers: “… More than 200 million slaves live in the world today—more than at any time in history.” Time magazine reports that “tens of millions of people around the globe, including children as young as six, are working in bondage—in dangerous and degrading conditions that often involve 18-hour workdays, beatings and sexual abuse.”

    Many more, although not held against their will, live in virtual slavery, trapped by economic circumstances and long work hours while eking out a meager living. Such conditions crush the human spirit. Imagine a life bereft of joy, an existence in which people never enjoy such simple pleasures as the sound of beautiful music, the fun of good humor, the feel of a new garment or the comfort of a secure roof overhead.

    Greed takes a deadly toll in hundreds of more subtle ways. Advertisers hawk products that can ruin our health and eventually kill us. Entertainment promotes selfish, arrogant lifestyles that focus on short-term pleasure even as they ultimately destroy personal relationships and ruin opportunities for long-term happiness. Some businesses, manufacturers and governments poison the air, land and water with toxins that threaten health and safety. The list goes on and on.

    Will the picture change?

    When Jesus Christ came to earth two millennia ago, He saw His share of misery. He witnessed the plight of outcast lepers, widows in need and people with debilitating mental disorders. He reacted with compassion to alleviate misery.

    Jesus’ concern and compassion were evident when He wept openly as He approached Jerusalem for the final time (Luke 19:41-44). He could foresee the anguish that warfare would bring on the beloved city and its people in A.D. 70 when a Jewish rebellion would result in Roman armies laying siege to the city, with horrible consequences.

    He proclaimed that part of His mission was “to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed” (Luke 4:18). Such a time has not yet occurred for all mankind, but God promises He will bring an end to suffering (Revelation 21:4).

    God is a just God, a God that allows mankind to willfully choose their destiny; but they are corupt–they choose the opposite of God’s original plan. But God made a way for our wickedness to be made clean: by Christ, the cross, and his resurrection. God is not blame, but the depravity of man. To God be the glory.

    That’s why I’m a Theist!

  7. truely, thank you all. and ill get a heads up on those books andrew.

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  10. i called on idol gives back and you siad all that was answering was the stars and i got a opreater and she felt bad

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